Comments on: Is this the right climate for change? http://www.civitas.org.uk/wordpress/2010/05/26/is-this-the-right-climate-for-change/ Daily commentary from Civitas researchers Wed, 22 Feb 2012 23:39:34 +0100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: gheath http://www.civitas.org.uk/wordpress/2010/05/26/is-this-the-right-climate-for-change/comment-page-1/#comment-2000 gheath Wed, 02 Jun 2010 08:11:42 +0000 http://www.civitas.org.uk/wordpress/?p=2542#comment-2000 I was under the impression that the climate change zealots had realised that we'd all caught on to their scam. Even the BBC has gone (mostly) quiet on the issue. Just as the EU was never about democracy, climate change was never about science. They are both about post-democratic, post-new-science control. If nothing else, you could tell it was a scam by the way the Climategate committees were handled. At the UK election, no major party had the guts to stand up and say it was nonsence and that by continuing with the fraud our economies and life style will be wrecked. The atmopshere needs more CO2, not less. It is not only harmless in quantities far greater than the remaining hydtocarbons could raise it to, more CO2 is beneficial. How do we start a fully fledged debate on (a) getting out of the EU and (b) getting out of any climate change nonsence legislation? I was under the impression that the climate change zealots had realised that we’d all caught on to their scam. Even the BBC has gone (mostly) quiet on the issue.

Just as the EU was never about democracy, climate change was never about science. They are both about post-democratic, post-new-science control. If nothing else, you could tell it was a scam by the way the Climategate committees were handled.

At the UK election, no major party had the guts to stand up and say it was nonsence and that by continuing with the fraud our economies and life style will be wrecked. The atmopshere needs more CO2, not less. It is not only harmless in quantities far greater than the remaining hydtocarbons could raise it to, more CO2 is beneficial.

How do we start a fully fledged debate on (a) getting out of the EU and (b) getting out of any climate change nonsence legislation?

]]> By: JohnEvans60 http://www.civitas.org.uk/wordpress/2010/05/26/is-this-the-right-climate-for-change/comment-page-1/#comment-1987 JohnEvans60 Sat, 29 May 2010 20:25:10 +0000 http://www.civitas.org.uk/wordpress/?p=2542#comment-1987 I have very much appreciated the articles written by the ‘Civitas’ authors, and have always regarded them as writers whose opinion is based on good research. However I am somewhat disturbed by this article. It seems to deal well with EU politics and the political issues surrounding targets for the reduction of EU-wide carbon emissions. What is clearly missing is a critical approach for the justification of reducing ‘carbon emissions’ in the first place. With the concentration of CO2 currently at 390 parts per million (ppm), and despite the miniscule increase of 1-2ppm per year, this level is still as low as at any time in the past 600 million years, when levels peaked at around 7,000ppm - nearly *eighteen* times today’s concentration. Despite such high levels for long periods of time, which arose by purely natural processes, there was never any ‘runaway global warming’ or similar. Furthermore, CO2-concentrations and average temperature of the earth have varied during those millions of years, yet the two curves have always varied independently of each other. Thus as there has never been any correlation between them, there is therefore no causal link between them. So as no ‘worrying global warming’ ever happened in the past despite significantly higher CO2-concentrations, there is no reason to expect it to happen in the future. (On the contrary - slightly higher levels of CO2 will benefit plants, as optimum plant growth is between 1,000 and 2,000ppm.) Bearing all the above in mind, and thus removing the foundation of the CO2-climate scare, might I suggest a more critical appraisal of the political situation in the EU regarding ‘climate’ might be along these lines… as seen from an Australian point of view: http://www.australianclimatemadness.com/?p=3848 and from the U.S. Science And Public Policy Institute: http://sppiblog.org/news/european-maneuvering-on-climate-change Best regards, John M. Evans I have very much appreciated the articles written by the ‘Civitas’ authors, and have always regarded them as writers whose opinion is based on good research. However I am somewhat disturbed by this article. It seems to deal well with EU politics and the political issues surrounding targets for the reduction of EU-wide carbon emissions. What is clearly missing is a critical approach for the justification of reducing ‘carbon emissions’ in the first place. With the concentration of CO2 currently at 390 parts per million (ppm), and despite the miniscule increase of 1-2ppm per year, this level is still as low as at any time in the past 600 million years, when levels peaked at around 7,000ppm – nearly *eighteen* times today’s concentration. Despite such high levels for long periods of time, which arose by purely natural processes, there was never any ‘runaway global warming’ or similar.
Furthermore, CO2-concentrations and average temperature of the earth have varied during those millions of years, yet the two curves have always varied independently of each other. Thus as there has never been any correlation between them, there is therefore no causal link between them.

So as no ‘worrying global warming’ ever happened in the past despite significantly higher CO2-concentrations, there is no reason to expect it to happen in the future. (On the contrary – slightly higher levels of CO2 will benefit plants, as optimum plant growth is between 1,000 and 2,000ppm.)

Bearing all the above in mind, and thus removing the foundation of the CO2-climate scare, might I suggest a more critical appraisal of the political situation in the EU regarding ‘climate’ might be along these lines…
as seen from an Australian point of view:
http://www.australianclimatemadness.com/?p=3848

and from the U.S. Science And Public Policy Institute:
http://sppiblog.org/news/european-maneuvering-on-climate-change

Best regards,
John M. Evans

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